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Jett2 wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:11 PM:

" I am an ex smoker. I smoked heavily for many years. However, I remember being in a car with my parents smoking. Between them, they smoked over half a pack in 1 hour. I could hardly breathe. I would cover my nose with something so I could breathe. If I asked them to roll down the window, that made me a "brat". they would roll it down but only a crack. It was better but still had trouble breathing. One time the smoke made me nauseous. Even when I was a smoker, I never smoked in a car with a child in it. Adults can choose if they want to ride with you but a child does not. Also smokers have this attitude that it's their car and they can do what they want. BS!! It doesn't matter where you are, if you are harming someone, it is WRONG!! For example, just because you own your house, does that mean you can do whatever you want? Can you rape people, beat up your wife, etc just because it is in your property? I don't think so. "

Me wrote on May 3, 2007 9:14 AM:

" Just as they should not be forced to breathe the smoke you put out when you are camping and sitting around a campfire and you make them cook their hotdog on the fire with the smoke right in their face! Grow up! "

Mom of yoursmineours wrote on May 2, 2007 1:28 AM:

" I have 5 step children and let me say when they come home from their MOTHERS (smokey the bear we call her) house - OMG they about gag us!! They have to leave their jackets on the porch as they are filled with second hand smoke and their clothes and hair are nasty!!! The 8 yr old coughs for about 3 days because of the smoke she also has a heart murmor which she is not to be around smoke either....but SMOKEY doesnt care. Personally I think no one should smoke in a car with any child who is under the age of 18 - at 18 they can buy them and smoke them - until then they should not be subjected to being FORCED to breathe the nasty smoke from someone elses cigarette! "

Lisa wrote on Apr 26, 2007 10:47 PM:

" I smoke round my kids all the time,I am now 1month pregnant I smoke in my car, and NO i don't like windows open so Yes my car fills up with smoke, but my kids are never ill. I have a 10 month old and 4year old also a 6 year old. Some times two of us smoke in my car so yes the smoke is thick. But my children are fine. Abit of red eye don't hurt anyone. Im feed up with friends telling me to open the windows and people looking at me when im seen smoking in my car. "

RE:uncle slam wrote on Apr 17, 2007 12:51 PM:

" please straighten up your tin foil hat. Your conpsiracy theory had me and the mrs falling out of our chairs with laughter! "

Smoking Mom wrote on Apr 17, 2007 9:35 AM:

" I am a smoking mother of three and I am all for smoking bans where children are present. I do not smoke in our home or in the car if my children are riding along. It is my choice to smoke. Not theirs. However, I do not agree that all public places should be smoke free. Such as bars and clubs intended for adults only. "

uncle slam wrote on Apr 16, 2007 11:45 AM:

" hey hey everyone: now that you bring it up, I've read several times that the gov. has hired many to montor blog sites to counter and belittle those that may question the "official" gov. stance. you know, 911, gov waste, forced innoculations, illegal alien invasion, so on. Are "you" by chance "bought and paid for"? Let's see, tax you out of your home. Take your property through design of "LAw" and regulation. Take your children. Then tell you if you do'nt like it "move". Seems "that" is the plan? "

nothing better to do???? wrote on Apr 15, 2007 11:48 AM:

" can't even spell the insturment of your filthy habit...but that's okay, keep blowing the junk on children if it makes you feel better. How about killing some puppies and running cats over with lawn mowers too? Oh and anyone in a nursing home, at least those that are non-smokers, let's put them out in the street in wheelchairs and let cars mow them down too. Of course the smokers can stay in bed hooked up to iron lungs and oxygen...they deserve it. "

to ME(the kid) wrote on Apr 15, 2007 11:29 AM:

" your right about WHAT? "

to nothing better to do wrote on Apr 15, 2007 11:26 AM:

" This isn't about who's smoking in the car, this is about smoking with kids in the car. What are your thought's on that? "

nothing better to do! wrote on Apr 15, 2007 9:07 AM:

" For those of you with nothing better to do then worry about whos smoking in the car! COME ON OVER WE"LL HAVE A CIGERETTE! "

Me wrote on Apr 14, 2007 8:43 AM:

" I see you have a very non intelligent comeback for that lol. Because you know I am right! :) "

Hey Everyone wrote on Apr 14, 2007 6:15 AM:

" I correct myself, after reading the last post from ME, I would more than likely say that it is the 12 yr old kid, posting these stupid responses. It's definately NOT a grown adult....... "

Hey Everyone wrote on Apr 14, 2007 6:10 AM:

" I think that the Me poster is probably about 14 or 15 yrs. old, and is just pulling your chains. Either that or is completely illiterate. The wording she/he uses does not exude that she/he is the brightest bulb in the box, especially because of the continuous statements regarding how proud she/he is about exposing the kid to the smoke. NO "adult" smoker with good sense would brag about how they deliberately make their child inhale a product that could negatively affect their health. What a Joke! "

wow wrote on Apr 13, 2007 10:49 PM:

" you bring mothers into this, and JD has canonized himself, and you wonder why people think you are losers. "

Me wrote on Apr 13, 2007 8:02 PM:

" So, Im selfish and your mom is a B! I am not selfish. PERIOD! Your mom may be or still is or who really cares anyway whether she is a B or a C. The point is, you will never stop me from smoking around my child, nor will anyone else. "

To Me wrote on Apr 13, 2007 5:55 PM:

" I said your decision was selfish and that getting along with my mother was a B to get along with. Not that she is a B. I finished responding to you. Good Day. "

Me wrote on Apr 13, 2007 4:50 PM:

" I am not selfish! But oh, no name calling here right? Heck you even call your mother names. So sorry to hear your grandma died of something natural that was just cause from most probably genetics. You bet I will smoke all I want, right in the car on the long trips. My son is healthy! When he gets sick, we will deal with it, and you can bet it wont be by stopping smoking! "

To Me: wrote on Apr 13, 2007 3:47 PM:

" Cigarettes contain nicotene. This is the same substance that is in "Black Leaf 40" an insecticide. I didn't call you names. I don't operate that way. You don't change hearts and minds hurling insults. Choosing to smoke with the kids in the car is a selfish choice. You're risking their health to feed your habit. Both of my parents smoked when I was a kid. When I got old enough I refused to go any where with them. My mom finally quit when I was about 17. She was B**** to get along with for about 2 weeks. She hasn't smoked in over 20 years. Her mother died from lung cancer after years of smoking. It was a horrible death. Not something I would wish on any one. You can always take a moment to smoke when you get where your going or on long trips stop and let the kids stretch their legs while you smoke. Smoke all you want. Smoke until your lungs are so black they can't they're lungs. That's your right but your rights end at the end of someone else's nose. "

Me wrote on Apr 13, 2007 1:54 PM:

" I am doing a great job protecting and loving my son! *gives pat on the back* I cant help it that you are a prejudice person who has nothing better to do than cut this person and that person down! That is mental abuse. I feel very sorry for your kids! As far as passing gas in a car, you are exactly right, EVERYONE does it! So, what does smoking have to do with farting? They both disipitate into the air equally to eachother! "

illegal aliens wrote on Apr 13, 2007 9:21 AM:

" will this law apply to illegal aliens or are they exempt? "

Get Big Government Off My Back wrote on Apr 13, 2007 2:10 AM:

" I am a nonsmoker, never have smoked and never will....that being said.....I find it completely offensive that, once again, our government is pursuing frivilous laws which seek to impose morality and common sense on its citizens, thereby treating them like 5 year olds and inciting a complete disrespect and flaunting of purposeful laws. I am so sick of the government trying to think for me, act for me, protect me from myself - and, oh, by the way, I'm sure the fines they collect for this, like seat belts, they won't be giving away to charity or the American Cancer Society any time soon. Big Brother government and the total stupidity shown in people willingly giving up their rights and their power to think sickens me. "

To:Me wrote on Apr 12, 2007 12:03 PM:

" Wow buddy! You should be so proud of yourself stickin' to your guns the way you are. But are you aware that nicotine is so poisonous that it is used as an insecticide? So I guess you don't mind giving your kid insecticide. By the way I don't mind if you smoke in your car if you don't mind if I pass gas in your car. One is as offensive as the other. "

to ME wrote on Apr 12, 2007 6:01 AM:

" MENTAL ABUSER!?! WHAT??? in what respect? you are scraping the bottom of the barrel now for something to try to defend yourself and your discussting habit that you have forced upon your kid. A protective and loving parent would NOT deliberately expose their child to their SHS. They would be teaching their child that this is a habit that you HOPE they don't take up, because there just isn't ANYTHING POSITIVE that can come from smoking. Now, if you are calling teaching that to a child, "mental abuse", you REALLY DO need psychiatric help! "

OGS To Whom It May Concern wrote on Apr 12, 2007 3:17 AM:

" Iam not JD. JD is not me. Therefore OGS and JD are two different posters. Pinky swear! "

Me wrote on Apr 11, 2007 7:19 PM:

" Ive been here all along. I will continue to smoke with my child in my presence. Cant you understand that? Mostof my posts haven't even made it through. Your lucky! Whether he smokes or not, is no one's business but his own. You will never stop him either if he chooses to do so! Now, while you sit here and cut the smokers down, I am glad that I am the parent of my child, smoking, rather than being a mental abuser to a child, such as you portray. "

JD to: to JD wrote on Apr 11, 2007 5:19 PM:

" What is your point to rant about ME in a response to myself? Are you hoping I will just go away also, so you will not have to attempt to argue logically and rationally? Are you hoping that your agenda will win by default, because it lacks the ability to stand against reason and foresight? Seriously, if you need to distract from your weak position, do so without involving me. "

to JD wrote on Apr 11, 2007 12:04 PM:

" Yeah, right, OK,, sure,,,WHATEVER, at least ,,"ME" has shut up, and we don't have to listen to anymore of her discussting statements about how PROUD she is to rant about how she exposes her son to her and her spouse's SHS. I sure hope her child someday realizes how his parents deliberately put his health in a potentially dangerous situation. Sadly though, he will more than likely become a regular smoker, because we all know that children learn what they live. "

JD wrote on Apr 10, 2007 5:43 PM:

" Firstly, I have no need to pretend to be anyone else. I debate the topic based on research, and from my perspective, logic and reason. If people feel they need to personally attack me, I just hope that it causes others to reevaluate their positions. After all, needing to revert to personal attacks while debating a topic shows that the person doing it has no intellectual ammunition to use. Hopefully people see this, and reevaluate their positions. If you think that attacking me personally furthers your agenda, I feel you need to reevaluate your positions too. "

re wrote on Apr 10, 2007 2:41 PM:

" that is something, coming from the master spinner.....OGS. "

Life is Good Re: to post @ 1:18p wrote on Apr 10, 2007 2:39 PM:

" Glad to hear about the Parkinson's study and their findings. Now, read the above article again....hmmmm, no mention of Parkinson's is there? This is a smoking with children in the vehicle article/issue. Go ahead and write an article to the Pantagraph in regards to the Parkinson's findings and let the comments begin that are associated with that issue/article. "

SO WHERE IS wrote on Apr 10, 2007 2:07 PM:

" THE ME poster then? Who has been so VERBAL, with such PROUD posts about her addicitive habit, and how PROUD she is that she has MADE her kid inhale her and her husbands SHS.. it is SO easy to hide behind other names, when you run out of answers to point blank questions. Sorry OGS, JD, don't believe you and I think other posters see through your posts too. "

read this pro-banners wrote on Apr 10, 2007 1:18 PM:

" from MSN.com today - Health News "Coffee Lovers, Smokers at Lower Parkinson's Risk Family study supports a link, although reasons behind it remain unclear " ok, pro -bannners, read this article and "anti" spin on this study... There is good and bad in everything we do, drink, eat, etc. "

OGS answering 8:07 am questions wrote on Apr 10, 2007 12:18 PM:

" I am a man, and have never been pregnant. Therefore, I did not smoke while I obviously wasn't pregnant. Why don't you pro-banners answer some questions once in awhile? You NEVER do! It's always spin, spin, spin! Ignore, ignore, ignore. Blame, blame, blame. "

to ME aka OGS aka JD wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:59 AM:

" Just who do you think your kidding? How about answering the questions in the post dated 4-8 @ 8:07 am.? Or, is it that you have no more responses when you KNOW that your outnumbered by ppl that think you have rocks in your head? Surely, you couldn't have had a smart bubble hit your brain, telling you how rediculous you sound when boasting about how you and your hubby are so proud that you deliberatly expose your son to your SHS. ! NAAA, that could never happen. "

JD you are so compelling wrote on Apr 10, 2007 9:37 AM:

" I have seen a light I never knew existed. I have heard your call to action!!! I am quitting my job to join you. I am coming to live in your grandmother's home with you and the 21 cats! We will sit in our bathrobes and eat Cheetohs in front of the computer and post on the Pantagraph all day long with our superior intellect and wit!! "

re wrote on Apr 10, 2007 9:12 AM:

" You can't factor the kids out, that is the main topic of this article, but I suppose you can twist and turn it to whatever your liking or thought process is about. "

re to JD wrote on Apr 10, 2007 9:10 AM:

" i guess we are all just "small picture" people, you on the other hand just have everything in perfect perspective, according to you....you big picture person you. you are just bigger than all of us, thanks for setting us all straight. "

To Awesome wrote on Apr 10, 2007 9:00 AM:

" I am a smoker. However, I do not smoke in my house, or anybody elses. I'm in the process of quitting smoking. It is a bad habit. But like I said, it's a habit. They are not easy to break. But for my kids, I am working on it. I do work out and eat healthy. So maybe you should not label smokers as totally unhealthy people. I'm 30 years old, 5'10 and 140 lbs. I'm quite sure my body is in much better health than yours. As for my kids, they eat very healthy. Not very many ho hos and ding dongs in their diet. In fact, our refrigerator is always stocked with oranges, apples, grapes, strawberry's, etc... So before you start running your mouth about stuff you don't know about, think. "

JD: To make cigerettes illegal wrote on Apr 9, 2007 5:28 PM:

" You are assuming that health rates would go down. How many businesses do you know, that not only give up profits, but are willing to downsize to do it? In a perfect world, you might be right about what you are saying. Too bad this is not a fairy land where what you expect is what actually happens. The sooner people realize this, the sooner the US can get back on its way to be a supernation, and not a wanna-be socialist republic where everyone has their hands in everyone else's pockets. "

JD to: re to JD wrote on Apr 9, 2007 5:25 PM:

" If you want to focus the scope of your agenda so much that you factor out all associated factors, you can prove about anything. Why not just factor the kids out, and just make your opinions about smoking in cars? Seriously, issues have effects outside what you want to focus on. Making an educated decision means looking at the focused issue, all surrounding issues, causality, etc. Of course, if you want to knee jerk, and make a hasty decision you will end up regretting, continue to be a small picture person. "

Make Cigarette Illegal wrote on Apr 9, 2007 2:09 PM:

" and then the world will be a better place and we shall all love happily ever after. Except of course, all non-smokers will have to pick up the slack of lost tax revenue. Oh, wait a minute, my bad. Health insurance rates will go down and we'll just break even that way. Hahahahahhaha! Gosh, life is sooo good, I'm already laughing, hahahaha! "

The ACS says... wrote on Apr 9, 2007 1:57 PM:

" ...that they haven't studied the issue. Pa-lease people! If you believe that comment, I've got a bridge to sell you. Continue to lie and destroy your credibility. Eventually it will catch up with you. "

Re: to JD wrote on Apr 9, 2007 11:47 AM:

" There have been insights, but none that effectively argues why it is ok to smoke in a vehicle with children present. You can spin it onto other diversional subject matter, but it is smoking in a vehicle with children that continues to be the subject....nothing else. The agenda continues to be, to not alow this to happen. Sometimes people just like to see/hear what they are spewing out....makes them feel comfortable. "

JD to :631 posts wrote on Apr 8, 2007 9:11 PM:

" There are many insights into the matter, you just choose to disregard them because they are not in your accepted perspective. I have a feeling that for many, even if a divine personage descended and said something against they personal desires, they would find a way to rationalize why they should not accept that opinion. It is just a reflection of how these things are ingrained as personal agendas and not rational arguments. A rational argument can be countered by reason, personal agenda will not accept anything short of the goal of the agenda. "

631 posts wrote on Apr 8, 2007 5:49 PM:

" and I still haven't seen one NOT ONE post that shows any insight as to why it is okay to breathe this filth on a defenseless child. "

to JD wrote on Apr 8, 2007 10:10 AM:

" I miss the dude guy...he was funny and made you look pretty bad. "

Smokers Lungs wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:34 AM:

" Looks the same? - www.smokehelp.org/assets/images/Smokers_Lungs.jpg "

to ME wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:07 AM:

" This isn't about YOU or your lungs. This is about your child, and about other children that are being exposed to SHS. You still haven't answered the question about whether or not you smoked while you were pregnant? Do you realize that from the minute your child was born, he has had to inhale SHS from you and your husband. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THIS WILL NOT HURT HIS LUNGS?, some time down the road. He has had to be a smoker all of his life! He has had NO CHOICE. Just how would you feel, if your kid develops severe respiratory problems that comes from having to continually inhale cigarette smoke? Can you honestly answer that? Or will this response be another series of defending your habit? "

Me wrote on Apr 7, 2007 2:59 PM:

" I have had a few chest xrays here and there in my lifespan so far. What is you point? That my lungs look exactly like yours do? Well, that is the truth! Want to compare? I will call the doc up now and ask for them. Where do you want to meet? Heck, I will even make it a nonsmoking public, get it: public, all public is welcome, for you! "

re: to OGS wrote on Apr 7, 2007 1:00 PM:

" Glad to hear of your very fortunate luck with your "clear" lungs, but it was directed to the poster "ME", not you. "

not worried now wrote on Apr 7, 2007 9:28 AM:

" A few months ago, my husband was told he had a "lesion" on his right lung. So of course he had the x-rays, the c.t. and the big daddy of them all, the pet scan. Nothing there but scar tissue from a pneumothorax he had seven years ago after recieving massive injuries in a construction accident. No czncer, no lung disease, nothing. Even after this the doctor wasnted him to use inhalers. For what? He didn't have any trouble breathing. And yes folks, he is a smoker. "

OGS Xrays wrote on Apr 7, 2007 2:43 AM:

" Just had some chest xrays about 3 months ago. Doc said everything is fine. Thank you very much for your care and the invitation to point this out to you and I am 52 years old. And whatever ails me as I grow older I'll not come cryin' cause I accept full responsibility for the choices I have made in my life. "

re: to ME, OGS, JD wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:54 PM:

" Me, go have a x-ray of your lungs then tell us how they look. When you get older and have emphysema.....don't be crying to anyone. OGS or JD, or most likely the same, way to pat yourself on the back. "

Me wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:05 PM:

" My son just told me to let you know, you are full of crap! Let's see, I know for a fact that these "other" smokers, are not fessing up to their smoking around their children. Every single adult friend that I have who smokes, smokes around their kids as well. So that is a huge line of BS! I have no problem admitting what I do, and yes, my hubby smokes around our son too! So, yes, double! I DO NOT sit here and blow the smoke in his face, but yes, it is in his face in the air circulating through the air system as well as the air outside! He IS healthy! We ALL are! The bs proof that you walk around with high up on your shoulders is nothing but a hearsay type of BS! Get it! By no means am I a "sad case". I care more about my son then most people even know how to offer this kids in this sad sad world! "

OGS to JD wrote on Apr 6, 2007 1:01 PM:

" Thanks JD for saying it so well. You do have a better way with words than I do. The pro-banners are the (wannabee) masters of spin. "

To: Me wrote on Apr 6, 2007 12:46 PM:

" Ok, I think I've got it. Water and fruit are bad for kids, but cigarettes are good. Did I get that all right? Wow. Wow wow wow. "

JD to: Hey JD wrote on Apr 6, 2007 11:57 AM:

" So in other words, you are saying that you have no proof, so you wish to insult me personally? I love how, when faced with logic, the supporters of all these socialist agendas revert to attempting to belittle those of other opinions, to move attention away from the fact that their position has no substance more than their personal hatred things. I may be boring, but that is much better than being uneducated. "

To: Pathetic supporters wrote on Apr 6, 2007 8:08 AM:

" You are soooo funny. It is not the republicans that are trying to ban smoking. It's the democrats that are turning your beloved tobacco companies and smokers into criminals. Through your own ignorance you have sided with Rush Limbaugh. Hehehehehehe. P.S. I don't mind if you smoke in the car as long as you don't mind if I fart your car. One is a disgusting as the other but at least farting is a natural bodily function. "

to me poster wrote on Apr 6, 2007 7:10 AM:

" Now, since you have told us that you are the child's mother, that make's things even sadder. A woman that has a child is supposed to be the main nurturer of that child. (Did you breast feed him while you smoked?) It is your obligation to do everything in your power to protect your child. Not to mention the fact that you have said that your husband is healthy, is HE also smoking around your son? If so, that doubles the amount that your son is being forced to breathe. Most of the post's that I have seen here from smokers, state that they DO NOT expose their kids to their smoke! Obviously they aren't willing to risk the chance that the smoke could negatively affect their child. You are one sad case, lady! "

hey JD wrote on Apr 6, 2007 6:23 AM:

" you've gotten to be pretty boring...and safe to say at this point inconsequential. "

Re: re: to me wrote on Apr 5, 2007 9:11 PM:

" Actually, you are incorrect. They want to make it situationally illegal, and they want to do it on private property (yes, the inside of your vehicle is private property). This is just the next progressive step based on the socialist attack on smoking (businesses are private property providing a public service, they are NOT public property). It is the result of too many people wanting to be in everyone else's business, while trying to make sure no one gets into their business. "

JD to: Hey JD wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:34 PM:

" Your request shows exactly how little you understand of science, and thusly the 'studies' you believe in. The burden of proof is not to prove something does not exist, as there is nothing to study. The burden is placed on those who claim in the existence of something. After all, if it exists, it can be shown to exist, studied, etc. In science, the tactic of 'prove it doesn't exist' shows that the idea has no substance beyond the persons desire for the information to be true. "

Me wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:32 PM:

" To the one who wants me to say how far I will go.....Well, I am going! I thought I made that plain and clear in most of my posts here!! I will continue to over and over and over. Plain and simple. I am healthy, my hubby is healthy, my son is healthy. I, as well as, many others, will continue to smoke around their kids. You will never stop it! Thats how far I will go! "

to me poster wrote on Apr 5, 2007 7:41 PM:

" Where's your answer to the question about how far you are willing to go when it comes to making your kid constantly inhale your smoke. Are you REALLY willing to make him be the "experiment"? Just how far are you really willing to go? You keep talking about how you WILL continue to smoke around him and other kids. Your so good at talking about how you KNOW so much about cigarette smoke, and how it shouldn't be blamed for lung cancer! OH, NO, that has to be from the family tree! So come on now, and tell us how far you are willing to go to see if your smoke makes your kid sick! "

Re: to ME wrote on Apr 5, 2007 6:30 PM:

" Exactly, it is ILLEGAL to smoke in places where it is ILLEGAL....get it? (thru your addicted, thick skull) "

Me wrote on Apr 5, 2007 5:51 PM:

" Denial of nicotine addiction has nothing to do with this..and that goes out to many of you, who lay blame on the addiction!!! I AM ADDICTED TO CIGARETTES! I know that, has nothing to do with any of this. Get that through your thick skulls!! My addiction is LEGAL, and I will continue to choose to do it! I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE! "

to me poster wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:45 PM:

" HEY man, are you for real? do you hear what your saying? just because smoking is legal, (not ILLegal) your going to keep exposing your kid to your smoke! you say your kid is healthy, and you haven't been proven wrong YET!! how far are you willing to go until your proven wrong? When the kid develops lung problems? Is that far enough?, or will that just be something you can pass off to family history. your a REAL sicko. nicotine addict, typical denial. "

hey JD wrote on Apr 5, 2007 12:13 PM:

" how about you produce 1 just one empirical study that suggests that second hand smoke doesn't cause second hand smoke? I think it is quite obvious that the burden of proof is on your argument. And no more making up studies to make yourself look smard. Yes I spelled it smard on purpose. "

To Smoker wrote on Apr 5, 2007 11:56 AM:

" Nicely put! I totally agree with you! "

Re: to JD wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:30 AM:

" Solution. Move. Hurry. Move out of the country.....I'm sure there is somewhere fit for you with no laws or restrictions what-so-ever, but then how could that be? It would always be something. Right? "

JD wrote on Apr 5, 2007 1:15 AM:

" Recently, I have been seeing a massive propaganda blitz on television about the obesity of kids. Everything from government spots to Subway are creating commercials on the point. It is akin to the propaganda brigade against cigarettes. It is only a matter of time before the foods that are available will be restricted for "public safety". Next, it will be mandatory physical training for all citizens to reduce the obesity. And then let's cap it off with initiating a friendly new greeting of "Comrade". People just do not see how quickly we are traveling down the slippery slope. "

Smoker wrote on Apr 4, 2007 11:51 PM:

" Bottom line...you shouldn't smoke in the car or in your house with kids. As adults we can choose the places we frequent based upon our choice to smoke or not smoke. Your kids can't unstrap and exit a moving vehicle when the smoke bothers them. They don't have a choice. Don't take the chance that your bad habit could be harming them. Do it someplace else. Get out of the car and smoke. From a smoker trying to quit, it's a little inconvenience to do the right thing. "

Me wrote on Apr 4, 2007 10:31 PM:

" If my son develops lung problems, Im gonna start looking at my family tree to see where it could have originated from!! Cigarettes, ARE NOT ILLEGAL! My son is healthy, and until, like I have said a million times now, I will continue to smoke until I am proven wrong.....and I havent been yet! Now, why dont you do something real important for your kids instead of SHS. How about not giving them water to drink anymore, how about not letting them eat fruit anymore, how about not let them use hairspray in their hair, the list goes on and on and on that are soooooo much more of a threat then SHS. "

add 1 to 600 wrote on Apr 4, 2007 9:58 PM:

" it seems as though you read the words but did not understand the post. The post did not advocate the act of smoking cigarettes around children. The post pointed out that there are other environmental hazards of which are more hazardous to children that you should focus your energy on. "

JD to: to add 1 wrote on Apr 4, 2007 8:47 PM:

" I have a deal for you. If you can produce ONE study, which takes into account genetics, the plethora of other carcinogens and harmful inhalants, trends in obesity, increased stress in life versus previous subjects, etc, and they still conclude that SHS is harmful without needing to perform "magical" empirical analysis, I will shout your facts from the highest mountains. I will bet though, that if you know enough about studies to be able to understand them, and you attempt this, you will change your mind of the effects of SHS. "

to add1 to 600 wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:20 PM:

" Here's a compelling reason. Children look up to adults to protect them, and keep them safe and free from harm. If a child is exposed to certain things in the very air that he/she breathes everyday,(ie. fumes from cars, construction,etc.) because of the need to go out into the public, these are things that are beyond the control of a parent. But when a parent, smokes one cigarette after another in the same environment with the child, and exposes the child's sensitive, developing respiratory system, to continually have to inhale nicotine laced smoke, that should be considered abuse upon the child. You smoke defenders say that there is no proof that smoke is not dangerous. This is your addicted habit speaking, because you can't give it up. How would you feel, if somewhere down the road, your child develop's lung problems, and the doctor told you it could have been avoided if he/she wouldn't have had to inhale your smoke during his growing years? This could be a very real possibility. Would you feel guilty? "

North72 wrote on Apr 4, 2007 12:44 PM:

" If you are a smoker then smoke up. If you aren't do your best to avoid what you can. It is our responsibility as adults to make WISE choices for our children, what they eat, what they read, where they play etc. Years ago Illinois made it mandatory for children to wear seat belts or be in child safety seats. This was not done because the government was paid off by the safety seat producers, it was done out of concern for our children. This proposed law is for the well being of our children. Personally, regardless of me being a smoker or not, I want to do everything in my power to ensure that my child had the best opportunities for a HEALTHY life. If that means I have to give up smoking in my car then so be it. If that means no soda or junk food, so be it. Stop being so selfish. You say that you are thinking of your kids but really you're not, plain and simple. "

add 1 to 600 wrote on Apr 4, 2007 11:29 AM:

" and still no compelling reasons not to put your time and energy into SAVING The CHILDREN from other things much worse than SHS will ever be. Oh the desperation of anti-smoking activists to sell smoking cessation products for the pharmaceutical companies. "

almost 600 posts wrote on Apr 4, 2007 10:21 AM:

" and counting, and not one compelling argument as to why it is okay to poison defenseless children with this filth, just acts of desperation from the nicotine addicted. "

Fat Kids and Asthma wrote on Apr 3, 2007 3:26 AM:

" that's 50% more likely just for being fat. AND that says nothing about smoking cigarettes or being around second hand smoke. So let's stop fat and save the children. That is 50% of the children. OMG, 50% is like in the millions, daily, in Illinios, everywhere. The SHS claims have NEVER reached this 50% plateau. Looks like we have a new real killer folks. FAT! Pa-lease Save The Children! No more cereal commercials, no more crappy happy meals, no more ice cream, no more sweets. Suffer you little rug rats. No more sugar for you or you are gonna get sick. Real sick. And raise our health insurance rates. No more junk food for the children Just ban it and save the world! "

Fat Kids & Asthma... wrote on Apr 2, 2007 9:20 PM:

" ...New study reported on wire news today. If obese you are more likely to develop asthma. SO! By the general (il)logic supported by anti-smoking activists, being obese causes asthma. OGS "

re to JD wrote on Apr 2, 2007 2:43 PM:

" we are all ignorant to you.....we cower in awe. "

Me wrote on Apr 2, 2007 2:43 PM:

" If you do some more research....YOU WILL FIND...that the cigarette companies were forced to put that on the pack of cigarettes. It also says.....MAY CAUSE...that tells me there is no proof!! Look 20 generations down your line, I bet asthma was in the family tree...but I bet they died, because there was no medicine for it then!! Come sit and watch me smoke them...Im not dead yet! I know I will die one day, heck I could die walking out the door this afternoon...death is a part of life...deal with it! "

Smoking and Asthma wrote on Apr 2, 2007 1:24 PM:

" Whoever posted the "Smoking doesn't cause asthma" statement was right! They are also stupid, because they defended smoking around whoever they saw fit, even though they admitted it can enhance asthma attacks, by that lack of rhetorical thinking, they in turn admitted that smokers affect those they smoke around if they have asthma, and therefore they shouldn't smoke around those individuals. I don't care if you smoke in your own car, hell i'll buy you a pack and have you smoke it in 10 minutes so you die of nicotine poisoning and i'll sit there the whole time with you and watch you do it. But children don't have the choice to get out of your car, and there is no history of asthma in my family in the last 4 generations and I have it, so don't say its only genetic. Finally none of you are scientists, so stop trying to claim cigarette smoking doesn't affect cancer, even the tabacco companies have admitted that it does! "

ignorant smokers wrote on Apr 2, 2007 1:19 PM:

" Forget the health reasons, your child doesn't have the option to get out of the car and walk, or for that matter the sensibility at a young age to ask you not to smoke in their presence. I use to be a smoker and I ALWAYS made sure I wasn't smoking around non-smokers. Its about the disgusting smells, the smoke going into their lungs, and your lack of judgement as a parent. You have to make decisions for your children when they are at a young age, with your smoking you are basically telling them that smoking is okay. And the cigarette companies admitted that smoking causes Lung Cancer in many smokers, so don't try to play off the Smoking Cancer causes have not been proven angle. How about if I get in your car with you and a pile of Cocaine and blow the cocaine around in the air the whole ride, how'd you feel then. "

JD to: Me wrote on Apr 2, 2007 12:44 PM:

" The problem is that way to many people either can not understand studies, do not understand statistics, or possibly both. Instead, they just accept what they are told the study means by "educated" people, many of whom will spin the information however they want. Due to this, many people are totally clueless about the real facts, which they would know if they had read and understood, the study. There is nothing worse than ignorant individual spouting ignorance told to them by a biased individual. "

Me wrote on Apr 2, 2007 12:18 PM:

" I think about my child all the time. Until there is proof that I am killing him, I will continue to do it. For the 50th time, THERE IS NO PROOF that smoking causes a single thing. It is all a bunch of heresay. Do you think I am bragging? I am telling you the way it is. Period. "

Re: Me wrote on Apr 2, 2007 10:27 AM:

" "You are just being selfish! I am sure glad that you are thinking about your children! Some people should not reproduce. "

Sad Day wrote on Apr 2, 2007 9:24 AM:

" My parents smoked around me my whole life. I am now in the 30s, healthy as an ox, and laughing at how people want to blame all their woes on others. No one wants to buck up, and accept responsibility for all the times they have gone into smoking establishments, know there was smoke. They want to blame the smokers for being in the smoking establishments, or the owners. Next, they will be hanging out around the ash try outside, and whining about their exposure to SHS. Only an idiot would be around something they could not stand, then other options were available. "

to monner4 wrote on Apr 2, 2007 6:14 AM:

" from a non smoker, thank you for your post. I have friends that smoke, but they also respect the fact that I don't like to inhale it, so they won't do it around me. I feel so sorry for the innocent children though, that have no choice from being forced to inhale it, from inconsiderate, irresponsible parents. ONE poster here though, and he/she knows who they are, BOAST'S about the fact that they will NOT change their habit for anyone,, including their children. In fact they almost sound PROUD of the fact that they MAKE their child inhale their smoke. Very sad for the poor kids, who can't escape from this lethal exposure. "

Me wrote on Apr 2, 2007 12:14 AM:

" You dont think I am the only one that smokes in their OWN home and OWN car with kids do you? If so, grow up! I am not an unfit mother because I choose to do something that is legal. How I choose to do it, and where I choose to do it, as well as many many other smokers out there who choose, you will still be affected by it! Ban it, go ahead, still wont stop me from doing it. It really is that simple. I have come to realize in this, that oh boy, they took a right away, but they didnt completely take the right away! So, in that case, think what you want, do what you want, call the cops on me, still wont stop me. "

monner4 wrote on Apr 1, 2007 8:50 PM:

" AS AN EX-SMOKER I THINK SMOKING AROUND NOT ONLY CHILDREN BUT OTHER NON-SMOKERS AS WELL, SHOULD BE STOPPED. YOU MAY NOT THINK SECOND-HAND SMOKE CAN CAUSE HARM BUT IT CAN AND DOES. I AM AFFECTED EVERY TIME I GET AROUND ANYONE THAT SMOKES. "

Me wrote on Apr 1, 2007 12:23 PM:

" Continue on with your rants...lets see. I am not a coke addict. I dont do marijuana. I dont take pills to get a high. I dont drive drunk. All those things are illegal. I DO A VERY LEGAL FORM OF ENJOYMENT. I made my choice. You will never stop it or change it. I will YET, as I said, continue to smoke around my child and your children! Why stop now? It still isnt illegal and there still is NO PROOF of it harming anyone!! Like I said again, until I see actual proof, I will continue to do it! BY THE WAY: Asthma is a genetic disease!!! Do the research!! Smoking may make it worse, it is definitely in your best interest to not smoke if you have it!! That is common sense. JD is very right on every single point they have made here! You should listen! "

OGS wrote on Apr 1, 2007 12:09 PM:

" by the way twisted sister so pc with spin, did you know that nicotine can in the (uman) system is measured by the amounts on conitine in your system? No? Didn't think so. Thought I would enlighten you as you disregard all posts that do not further your hateful agenda. Anyway, our bodies manufature conitine and is found in many sunshade vegatables such as tomatoes. There are soooo many flaws to your sides claims that it is clearly the lobby group who has the most money wins. Our government has been bought and paid for for many years and is only getting worse. Your failure to see or admit this will only make matters worse and one of these days it will be you crying about a freedom or privacy issue that you cherish. Bank on it! "

to ME wrote on Apr 1, 2007 10:01 AM:

" OMG, you will always smoke in the car/house with your child present until the day you die?!? HOW SELFISH! Do you REALLY believe that you are doing right by him by doing this? He has NO CHOICE of whether or not to expose himself to smoke, like you do. If he choses to smoke when he reaches a certain age, that is his choice, but YOU are forcing him to be a smoker, period! And you don't consider this a form of abuse!?! This is INTERNAL abuse! to your childs respiratory system. What a sorry excuse for a parent you are.! Do you even realize that if you have smoked around him since he was born, which it sounds like you have, that from the minute he took his first breath's, his healthy lungs have been exposed to nicotine?! children deserve better than this. How sad for him. "

JD To: Been there... wrote on Apr 1, 2007 12:54 AM:

" There are millions of people who suffer from asthma. There are aboriginal people who have never been subjected to cigarettes who suffer from it. Can you prove that yours is not genetic, and you are not just looking for an easy target blame instead of faulty genes? Face it, the reason they say that SHS is "statistically linked" is because they can not prove that the SHS actually caused the problem. Since things like genetic influence, random carcinogens, etc, can not be measured reliably, they just assume that the SHS caused the problem. It makes their numbers look good. "

Re to ME wrote on Apr 1, 2007 12:01 AM:

" You set a GREAT example for us smokers. PLEASE dont bother writing another word on the subject. We are all now dumber for having read your ranting writings. PLEASE STOP YOURSELF. "

Been There_Lived That wrote on Mar 31, 2007 5:03 PM:

" I can only say I feel SO sorry for "Me's" child. Growing up in a household where both the mother and father smoked in the home AND in the car with no regard to our little lungs, I feel "ME's" child's pain, and although I have never smoked, I now fight asthma. I remember not wanting to ride in the car, because it made me sick. I will never forget the headaches, painful, burning eyes, and sore throat those "fun rides" with Mom and Dad provided me. "ME".................you're sad. "

JD wrote on Mar 31, 2007 4:09 PM:

" People are wanting a law on the possibility of harm, not that there was any true harm done. Every parent makes decisions which could result in the injury, or even death, of a child. Things such as allowing them to play sports, placement of furniture, allowing them to over eat, etc. The constant cries of "the dangers of smoke to kids" does not absolve parents of all the other choices they make which could POSSIBLY harm the kids. This is an attack on smoking, plain and simple. The emotional manipulation using children just fuels the attack, and is inconsequential to what they want to achieve. "

S Richardson wrote on Mar 31, 2007 3:45 PM:

" Pretty soon they will ban smoking in your own bathroom! Gee we have all these police checking out who is breaking the smoking ban, while drugs are sold on our streets! I got home last night at midnight to cops sitting in front of my house with a submachine gun and officers 3 houses up from me with pistols drawn. Drugs have been sold at that residence the whole 18 months I have lived here and nothing was really done. I sure don't hear in the paper about all the police calls in our Dear Cities that concerns drugs, I don't see the BILLS already made against DRUGS,RAPE and murder being taken seriously. Oh we don't have enough police to investigate every case. But we have Police to investigate and arrest people for smoking cigarettes. Come on get real. What is really more important, a person having a cigarette after a meal, or a kid buying and overdosing on drugs sold in front of your house! Think about it. Which is really more dangerous, Maybe we should start publicating every drug or weapon call! Then maybe people would really see how much REAL NEWS is going on! "

Me wrote on Mar 31, 2007 2:04 PM:

" Funny how my son hasnt come down with any of those things yet!!! Funny how he was a perfect score 10 baby on the apghar when he was born!!! Funny how he is close to being a genius!! I take damn good care of my son! He is not sick, nor has he ever been sick, except with the minor colds that every single person on the face of this earth gets!! Do not call me a child abuser!! My son doesnt run around with black and blue body limbs because your hubby decided to beat the crap out of him yesterday! I will always smoke in the car and house with him until the day I die. And you will never stop that! My points have been extremely valid, along with all the other smokers here! I cant help that you only see one side of it! I was a non smoker at one time! I have seen both sides, thankyou! "

to Me: directed to wrote on Mar 31, 2007 12:27 PM:

" You need your head examined, HONEY! When your 12 year old develops COPD, asthma, allergies, upper respiratory problems, you can explain to him that you didn't give a hoot that you exposed him to your SHS, and didn't care if it affected him or not. Your a typical example of one of those irresponsible parent's that use any other expression you can to distract away from your deadly habit. I'm sure that you must have forgotten SOMETHING to use as an example of things that can negatively affect someone. Keep thinking, that is just one more thing that can make you feel that your doing nothing wrong. Your just another child abuser. What a sad case, I feel so sorry for your child. HONEY! "

Life is Good Re: to Me post wrote on Mar 31, 2007 9:34 AM:

" WOW......you my friend are one funny, disillusioned person. I sincerely hope you are joking when you speak of smoking around your children....if not, you really need someone to talk to you...therapy maybe? Surely you cannot be that misinformed? Who's whining here????? Hmmmmm. "

TO Get over it smokers... wrote on Mar 30, 2007 8:12 PM:

" You say that we will not live longer than God intended us to live? Funny how his only SON smoked!!! Funny how this whole world has turned into pesticides, poisons, global warming, because your factory puts out sooooo much CO2. It aint just us smokers! I think that all you non smokers need to take a huge look around and get a picture of what the real world is all about! Its nothing but a death trap! GET IT? You will die no matter what! Who cares, we USED to be a free country....you promoting the non freeness gives you no right to whine either. Just wait til you get CANCER and its not related to smoking at all!!! Maybe it will hit the dead brain cells then, not caused by smokers! "

Me Directed to:All of the parents that DONT..wahhhh wrote on Mar 30, 2007 7:17 PM:

" Honey, I am an excellent parent! I smoke, will always smoke, do not care if you like it or not! When you show me proof that smoking with my 12 year old in the car or house will kill him, I MEAN ACTUAL PROOF, then I will quit. Until then, keep feeding your child the sewer out of your kitchen sink, keep feeding them the herbicide on every piece of fruit you give your child, cause my god, its good for them! Keep it up, you will find out when you child dies of water poisoning and my son is still alive because he was in the back seat with many smokers. Im tired of all you lil peons trying to use us as an excuse! sorry honey, but smoking does not cause kidney stones, smoking does not cause a broken arm or leg, smoking does not cause blindness, doesnt causes cervical cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, hodgkins, blindness, shall I continue on? I cant help that you have those things in your bloodstream from your great grandmas. QUIT USING US AS AN EXCUSE, I HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ANY PROOF! "

JD wrote on Mar 30, 2007 4:40 PM:

" At least the current attack on smoking is not trying to hide behind children. Even though I do not smoke, nor do I have kids, using kids to emotionally manipulate people is pathetic. Even the proposed state ban shows that it is a morality law. The politicians left it in the hands of the communities thinking that since everyone hates smoking the communities would pass the bans. Now, since the majority of communities are not passing the bans, the politicians want to step up and enforce their morality on others. "

RID: Former smoker wrote on Mar 30, 2007 2:38 PM:

" Last I heard the"6th" may be the day, (or by May)(Iran). But hey, "this" is more fun. Is'nt it ? "

OGS to Twisted Sister wrote on Mar 30, 2007 1:54 PM:

" Thank you! I'll take that as a compliment, cause I like JDs posts. We are pretty much on the same page but are two different posters. You can believe what you want. You're only fooling yourself. "

to "to JD,aka OGS" wrote on Mar 30, 2007 1:00 PM:

" Did you realize that the senate VOTED DOWN your ban for smoking in cars even tho they vote for the overall ban? Care for the children? No, because the American Cancer Society and the Illinois Coalition Against Tobacco hadn't slipped them any more money for that ban! "

AF wrote on Mar 30, 2007 7:54 AM:

" Um, we have laws to protect our children in other facets... (safety seats, seat belts, minor laws, etc.) We don't seem to mind those because having Jr. strapped down in the back seat doesn't interfere with our conveniences. However, it's been proven that children NOT in safety seats / seatbelts face a much greater likelihood of injury or death if involved in an accident. It's now argued that smoking is potentially dangerous - as is 2nd hand smoke - but, now there's no need for government interference??? If the parents won't step up to the plate, then someone else has to. Sure it's politics, until you personally experience the tragedy; then I can assure you, you will seek the protection of the very laws that someone else claims are infringing upon their freedoms.... "

to JD,aka OGS wrote on Mar 30, 2007 6:40 AM:

" HAHAHAHAHA, who do you think your kidding, it's so very obvious that YOU are the only one that would agree with YOU.. your previous posts about what you call FAT kids, who you have seen coming out of McDonald's etc. eating ice creme, etc. overshadow your newest post in which you seem to try to redeem yourself. Forget it,, your beaming personality continues to shine through. READ TODAYS FRONT PAGE HEADLINE, yipee, Ill. has come to its sense's. Smoke free EVERYWHERE! this revelation will definately make it easier for children to be protected from their cancer stick puffing parent's/caregivers, in the confines of a car. What a wonderful breath of fresh air this is. AHHHHHH. "

Big Brother wrote on Mar 29, 2007 11:32 PM:

" Some people just don't get it. It's not about being in favor of or against smoking. It's about how far we are letting government into our lives to control what we do (or don't do). And usually, as in cases like this, it's about politicians pandering to populist ideas, to win votes. It seems "1984" is getting closer every day. "

TO JD from OGS wrote on Mar 29, 2007 11:22 PM:

" I'm with you JD. The attacks will continue to come, mostly from one poster as you and I are very aware of. My new nickname for that poster is "twisted sister" due to all the spin and misinformation. Be it a guy or a gal twisted sister fits no matter what the unknown (for sure) gender. "

JD to: To JD wrote on Mar 29, 2007 9:44 PM:

" Firstly, I have never belittled obese people. All I have said that if laws are needed to "protect kids" then they need to be protected from obesity also. Secondly, if over 50% of the population is obese, and only about 10% of that population smoke, then obviously there are more non-smokers obese than smokers, so your "logic" does not hold true. Lastly, I have never said that smoking in a car with kids is a good idea. I have just pointed out that it is a thinly veiled attack against smoking, and without backing it up without truly "protecting kids" shows that. "

Former Smoker Thinks This Is Ridiculous wrote on Mar 29, 2007 8:56 PM:

" Talk about pandering! don't we have bigger fish to fry??? Getting out of Bush's Iraq War, killing Al Qaeda, tracking child molesters, funding public education, deporting illegals... my list goes on. REMEMBER, FOLKS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FREE COUNTRY WHERE ADULTS NEED TO LIVE WITH CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS. Stop being self-indulgent yuppies! "

to JD wrote on Mar 29, 2007 8:50 PM:

" I hate to break it to you, but smokers tend to be major abusers of fast food and are not frequent visitors at the gym. Non smokers tend to be a lot more health conscious than smokers. I hope you wake up soon...you are clearly in a drunken stuper. "

AF wrote on Mar 29, 2007 7:05 PM:

" Rights, Rights, Rights. Whatever. It's always the same - they all know more than enough to refute medical technology / practices. Yet, look at their spelling mistakes - they're all freakin' Einsteins! No smoker will ever stand up and admit they're wrong. They don't have enough confidence nor willpower in them... Precisely why they can't quit smoking in the first place. So it's an addiction. So what. News flash. Addictions have been broken in the past. Why would anyone continue their habit in their children's presence if they knew there could be even a 'chance' of harm. They probably don't enforce seatbelts either. No backbone, just selfish. The drag is more important than the rights of, or the message they're sending to, their children. "

OGS wrote on Mar 29, 2007 6:34 PM:

" Start a blog "degrading" fat people? C'mon on! How far must you reach to grasp nothing? "

to JD wrote on Mar 29, 2007 6:19 PM:

" GIVE IT UP!!!!!!! YOUR OUTNUMBERED!!!! Thank God, there ARE responsible posters here that can let you know how rediculous your petty statements are.. why don't you go start a FAT blog,, seems that you are good at degrading overweight ppl.. "

anti smoker wrote on Mar 29, 2007 5:09 PM:

" i understand that i am an anit smoker my mom moved in with a boyfriend hows family smoked like crazy and hated the place and that it is a mater of personal rights for you to kill your own lungs and what not i mean there your property. HOWEVER I believe that only an irresponsible parent of even human being would smoke with children around ingeneral. Child abuse is an understatment cutting your own life line short is one thing but cutting the life line of the next generation is just wrong. "

To: JD wrote on Mar 29, 2007 2:35 PM:

" I have kids and I would NEVER smoke in a small enclosed place with them present. I was put on this earth to do everything I can to protect my children and letting them inhale poison into their lungs was not one of them! If I choose to smoke and harm myself so be it - but I should not be able to harm my children - smoking in a car with children is a form of child abuse! "

JD wrote on Mar 29, 2007 1:32 PM:

" Face it, this is just another case where the anti-smoking crusade attack cigarettes, and are bolstered by people who feel their opinion on how to raise kids are more important than your opinions. The vast majority supporting this have no children and/or do not smoke. Since it does not affect them, they see nothing wrong with a law. Of course, if the law would affect them, it would be a different matter. People by nature just do not care what effect things have on others, as long as it does not affect them negatively. Typical small picture people. "

read this article! wrote on Mar 29, 2007 1:07 PM:

" INDIANAPOLIS | The Indiana House rejected legislation Wednesday that would ban smoking in passenger vehicles in which children under age 13 are present. The bill by Rep. Charlie Brown, D-Gary, had cleared committee 8-1 but was rejected 51-43 on the floor.Republican Rep. Robert Cherry, R-Greenfield, said he voted against the bill because it would create more state authority over the lives of families. "They know best. I don't think it's a place where government needs to get involved," he said. Gee, a SMART state! "

RE: to all you car smokers wrote on Mar 29, 2007 12:38 PM:

" it is amazing how while driving in a car on busy streets how one can dial there cell phone to call the law inforcement and report those smoking in personal property, with children in a vehicle . I think i would phone at a later time,(to talk on a cell phone and get hit by another vehicle calling in the same incident) so we see no harm in our children who are in the vehicle at that time of this hazardiuos moment,,,,, OR WHAT?? "

im me and suppose to be free wrote on Mar 29, 2007 12:19 PM:

" I love how the government is now trying to take but yet another united states citizen rights away. As far as my children who are now 11 and beyond) and there health, I worry more about the facts that they may pull into a drive through and order some nice big helping of fat while talking on the cell phone and all the sudden recieving call they are dead along road. There are too many dangerous objectives in life to regulate all , so then by regulating smoking( or any other health issues so proclamed) that would to me be" violating a choosen percentage of us citizens rights. Am i so wrong? "

RE: To all of you car smokers wrote on Mar 29, 2007 10:08 AM:

" I'm single and have no children. But, it would be funny to put 2 car seats in the back of your vehicle with a pair of fake plastic babies in them, and see how many years you can drive and totally get away with smoking and seeing no response from law enforcement. Not to mention a rise out of these emo non-smokers that pull up next to you at a stop light....oh the looks on their faces would be priceless XD "

Julie wrote on Mar 29, 2007 9:54 AM:

" Why don't they start doing something about the under age kids that are smoking. If you have to be a certain age to buy them than enforce the fact that they are smoking. As far as smoking in cars, they still live in the same house and are exposed to the smoke. Is it going to make that much differnece if they are around it all the time? "

GOOD PARENTS wrote on Mar 29, 2007 9:07 AM:

" GOOD PARENTS WOULD NOT SMOKE IN THE CAR WITH THEIR KIDS! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! "

to all of the parents that DON'T expose your kids to your smoke wrote on Mar 29, 2007 7:47 AM:

" As a non smoker, I respect the fact that you "do not" expose your kids to your cigarette smoke. Not just inside of a car, but inside of "anywhere." YOU are the ones that are unselfish, and put your kids health BEFORE your habit. The smokers that have posted blogs here that obviously are TOO addicted to admit that their smoke could harm their kids, are a pitiful group. These are the ones that ruin it for you. They use different example's of things that could be unhealthy for a child, because they just can not refrain from lighting up when their kids are in a confined space, like the car, and figure that if they use different examples, it will lessen the crime that they are committing. SO SAD for the kids. I wish that you could hunt out these discussting examples of parent's and make them see the wrongs of their ways, for their kids sake. "

to: topics wrote on Mar 28, 2007 10:00 PM:

" "hey", "you" "are" "over" "doing" "it". "Perhaps", "you" "should" "try "to" "cut" "back" ??? "indeed?" "

Re: to smokie wrote on Mar 28, 2007 3:47 PM:

" Now that everyone....is one imtelligent post....thank you for sharing, well.....absolutely nothing. "

"Topics" wrote on Mar 28, 2007 3:15 PM:

" Perhaps someday somebody can write an article about the dangers of, oh, let's say, "flame retardants showing up in breastmilk","the truth that flouride, a primary ingrediant of insecticides, is in reality very poisonous", "live cancer cells and mercury, (to name just a couple) in vaccines","genetically modifide and cloning of grains and animals for food","cell pones now being found to cause brain tumors", just a host of possible articles that can easily be found on the internet. But, for now, this "is" about shs, sooo, yes, "call DCFS, have these familys fined, imprisoned, and have thier kids permanently removed through law and regulation will go far in improving our quality of life". indeed. "

smokie wrote on Mar 28, 2007 11:50 AM:

" "land of the free" exactly - what will be next doctors having to report the parent when the kids BMI index is over 25... watch out fat asses - its your turn next. Dont be laughing at us smokers. You lard asses are worse. "

To all of you car smokers wrote on Mar 28, 2007 9:29 AM:

" I will be calling the police EVERY time I see you smoking with your kid in the car. They may not respond everytime, but if they do just ONE time it will be worth it. "

to its up to wrote on Mar 28, 2007 6:49 AM:

" You are right. It is pretty pitiful. "Most" of us KNOW it is exposing a child to poison, and then there are "those" that attempt to use other things to change the subject. It is the children that are in the care of "those" so called responsible parents/caregivers that we must feel sorry for. "These" ppl, and they know who they are, use analogy's such as a child being overweight, to obviously attempt to distract away from the subject in this article, and in doing so in their own "warped" minds, can justify their habit. It's SO obvious who they are, since they refuse to stay on this subject, and this subject only. Exposing a child to cigarette/cigar smoke is irresponsible, period, and when a person is seen doing so in the confines of a car, should be heavily fined. PASS THIS LAWPLEASE! "

It is the LEVEL of wrote on Mar 28, 2007 3:32 AM:

" ...carcinogens that is important. Otherwise, we would no longer be consuming ANY water whether it is out of the tap or professionally filtered. It is a scientific fact that our water contains some of the Class A carcinogens as tobacco smoke. No sane person wants to harm children. However the arguement at hand should center around what is an actual harmful level rather than to believe the hysteria of the anti-smoking activists as they pursue their agenda of lies and deceit to achieve their goals. "

its up to wrote on Mar 27, 2007 11:08 PM:

" 539 posts now, with not one, not one original thought as to why it is okay to carcinogens in a childs face. Shameful. "

AWESOME!!!! wrote on Mar 27, 2007 7:00 PM:

" I love how you smokers are claiming that, other than your sick habit of smoking, you are otherwise adhering to a 100% healthy life style. You never eat McDonald's and you must always eat health food huh? Bar food is just as bad or worse than fast food - just an FYI. And I am sure you work out between puffs too. And if you all have kids, you feed them 100% health food, but on the other hand, you are not concerned about exposing them to your filthy second hand smoke. By the way, if a child becomes to obese, DCFS will step in...they have in the past and will continue to do so in the future. But if you would like a law.....sounds good to me. "

Life is Good WHEN... wrote on Mar 27, 2007 2:10 PM:

" ...people feel some sense of reward for positive behavior. However the ingenious threat of negative consequences for socially unacceptable behaviour does not make life good. "

Who is this? wrote on Mar 27, 2007 2:02 PM:

" "...from every poster" person. I did not sign up to have this person represent me, nor did anyone else I know who posts here. "

Agreed. wrote on Mar 27, 2007 1:03 PM:

" Parents should not smoke in their cars with their children present. Any time or anywhere else, if they want to give in to the cancer sticks and enjoy dying slowly (or quickly) then have at it. Leave the young lungs out of it. "

Here's a thought: wrote on Mar 27, 2007 12:53 PM:

" Maybe all of the smokers should quit smoking and eat more McDonald's or ho ho's and Ding Dong's. Then instead of lung cancer, you can get some other disease. In fact, maybe you could share your new diet with your kids. And instead of them getting sick from the smoke, they can get sick from their new diet. Because according to a previous post, you don't love your kid if you smoke anywhere around them. But you do love your kids if you take them to McD's for a Big Mac, Large Fry, Large Coke and Ice Cream cone. What were you smokers thinking?? "

To the one who responded to JD wrote on Mar 27, 2007 12:38 PM:

" Go eat another Big Mac. In fact, take your kids with you!!! "

Too funny wrote on Mar 27, 2007 12:35 PM:

" To the one who stated that just because the kid was overweight and leaving McDonald's doesn't mean their parent doesn't care about them. Hmmm. Ironic since you guys are all saying that if you are a smoker, you don't care about your kid. But it's okay to take your kid to McDonald's, knowing that it is not a healthy place to eat and your child is getting larger by the fry. To everyone that keeps saying that this article is about smoking in the car with kids, this article is about protecting children, right? Well, then we are staying on the subject!!!!! You guys seem to think we're getting off the subject because you think it should be all about banning smoking. Seems like a personal agenda to me. Because I seem to take this article about looking out for the welfare of children. FYI, don't pass judgements. I'm not a smoker!!! I just believe that this is about regulating smokers' rights and raking in the revenue from these laws. "

to JD from every poster wrote on Mar 27, 2007 11:46 AM:

" HA HA, you even REREAD the article??? and are STILL ranting about an overweight child, and berating his/her parent's because the child, by your standards is heavier than what YOU think he/she should be! Sure, this article is about protecting children FROM BEING EXPOSED TO SMOKE IN AN ENCLOSED CAR. What part of that statement don't you understand?! And in defense of these parent's that you call incompetent in so many words, how do you know that the child wasn't eating yogurt? Either way, it is not about the subject in this article. by the way, are you a parent? if so, are you the perfect parent, with perfect kids, with NO FLAWS? very unlike

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